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westcoast
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Заголовок сообщения: RX560 fails to boot Добавлено: 26 ноя 2020, 11:59 |
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hello
i have this chip in a laptop, after some modding attempt things went south and it shows up with code 43 (during failure first time i seen 43 i shut it down, powered on again then it came fine, but afterwards is 43 always)
involved was on-time resistor change to lower the switching freq of the memory VRM, during test it was able to withstand furmark at 1940MHz, 1.35V (with default there were always crashes at 1900MHz) memory is 4 x H5GC8H24MJR-R0C VRM was G5335 10A converter, i replaced it with AOZ2264QI 15A - but there is no change
VDDC resistance is about 2ohm - same as before VDDCI resistance is about 33ohm - same as before MVDD resistance went bad it is 3.2ohm, before it was 56ohm - and also i have noticed slight voltage drop about 30mV on 1.35_GFX rail
GPU dead, or memory, or both?
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westcoast
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Заголовок сообщения: Re: RX560 fails to boot Добавлено: 07 дек 2020, 22:42 |
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galkinvv писал(а): Use one of near-short-circuit finding method. Put 1V voltage with external supply and look if some of memory ICs is getting hot (thermovision/Isopropanol evaporation/etc) vram module closest to the vrm output heats up quite faster than other modules. interesting, but it is not the one with the higher VREF voltage although it is on the same channel also, found there is 0V on low side gate of VDDCI. does that indicate damaged mosfet?
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Заголовок сообщения: Re: RX560 fails to boot Добавлено: 07 дек 2020, 23:05 |
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westcoast писал(а): vram module closest to the vrm output heats up quite faster than other modules. interesting, but it is not the one with the higher VREF voltage although it is on the same channel
It seems that at least this the fast-heating module is damaged. However, quite often all modules are damaged, not the only one. Desolder it to verify. About VREF - Where and in what conditions the VRef was measured? westcoast писал(а): also, found there is 0V on low side gate of VDDCI. does that indicate damaged mosfet? Sometimes, some gates show low or zero 0OHm to ground while they are completely fine. It looks to be related to inner workings of the gate drivers. After 1-2 days wothout ANY, including measurments electrical activity - such gates become fine. So, if this gate is the only "non-typical" thing for VDDCI, and overall VDDCI is fine - it may be completely fine. As far as I understand the only obvious problem is MVDD line.
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Заголовок сообщения: Re: RX560 fails to boot Добавлено: 07 дек 2020, 23:27 |
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galkinvv писал(а): About VREF - Where and in what conditions the VRef was measured? see attachment, on VREFD2 side of C1033, VRM output 1.35V
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Заголовок сообщения: Re: RX560 fails to boot Добавлено: 13 дек 2020, 01:29 |
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galkinvv писал(а): Desolder it to verify.
any ideas how do the laptops behave without one or two memory modules? are they still able to boot? already tried removing inductors of the VRAM/GPU core, but as there is no PWROK the controller does not allow boot - need to know if the same would happen without some memory modules, as i can still use it with CPU graphics
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Заголовок сообщения: Re: RX560 fails to boot Добавлено: 18 дек 2020, 19:25 |
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decided to take more measurements, as i was under impression that something in the sensing circuit might have failed, mostly because of the GPU while tested with modified on-time was sometimes reporting abnormal current values even in idle state (139.72A, exactly twice of the limited current) as can be seen in screenshot the voltages measured were: COMP 1.43V COMP_NB 1.27V FB 0.83V FB_NB 0.80V NTC 1.06V NTC_NB 1.05V IMON 41mV IMON_NB 33mV ISEN1 0.75V 0.83V ISEN2 0.75V 0.83V RTN 0.4mV PGOOD 3.32V PGOOD_NB 3.32V PWROK 3.32V ENABLE 3.32V VSEN 0.83V VSEN_NB 0.81V ISUMN 0.83V ISUMP 0.83V VR_HOT_L 30mV SVD 1.8V SVT 1.81V ISUMN_NB 0.81V ISUMP_NB 0.81V VDD 5.16V VDDP 5.16V LGATE_NB 0V PHASE_NB 0.81V UGATE_NB 0.9V BOOT_NB 1.10V (4.45V???) - one measurement gave 4.45V on boot capacitor but i think it had no effect on output voltage to GMCLGATE1 4.67V PHASE1 0.763V / 0.83V - one measurement was giving 0.83V on both sides of the core inductor, otherwise it is about 0.75V on the VRM sideUGATE1 0.9V BOOT1 4.81V 4.81V (5.01V 4.98V) - measured both sides of boot capacitor, sometimes there is about 4.8V on both, other times is the other valueLGATE2 4.66V PHASE2 0.756V / 0.83V - one measurement was giving 0.83V on both sides of the core inductor, otherwise it is about 0.75V on the VRM sideUGATE2 0.9V BOOT2 4.81V 4.81V (5V 4.71V) - measured both sides of boot capacitor, sometimes there is about 4.8V on both, other times is the other valuealso resistor on 3 controllers in the system (all 3 are ISL62771) DGPU IGPU CPU/NB
PR390 0.6/10 PR246 2/10 PR399 2.25K/11K PR255 2.25K/11K PR419 0.6/1 PR222 0.6/1 PR285 0.6/1 PR437 1.39K/11K PR337 1.39K/11K PR293 1.39K/11K PR438 0.6/10 PR338 1.5/10 PR294 1.8/10 PR444 0.6/1 PR345 0.6/1 PR304 0.6/1 PR446 0.6/10 PR347 1.5/10 PR301 1.6/10
PR390 is VSEN_NB pullup to VDDCI PR438 is VSEN pullup to VDDC PR446 is RTN pulldown to GND maybe 0.6 is fine on them, but it doesn't look so when compared to integrated graphics or cpu controller VR_HOT_L is on? 30mV on GPU only, on CPU it is 3.28V
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Заголовок сообщения: Re: RX560 fails to boot Добавлено: 08 мар 2021, 23:30 |
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galkinvv писал(а): Sometimes, some gates show low or zero 0OHm to ground while they are completely fine. It looks to be related to inner workings of the gate drivers "To open MOSFET the gate to source voltage is between 0 and 1V (Vgs). So zero volts on the gate will keep mosfet shut. the SMPS will not work!" desoldered the mosfet, resistance between its pins is large (in megaohms) as well as the resistance from ground to the LGATE pin on the board. VRM should drive voltage on this pin? if yes then it's either VRM failure, or VRHOT disabled this pin. I have checked resistance across boot capacitors, on both GPU core phases, on both CPU phases and northbridge phase that shares same VRM as the CPU there is about 10megaohm. Only on VDDCI phase of the GPU VRM there is 2ohms with capacitor on the board and the same 2ohms without it... also noticed that even though one memory module heats up faster than the others, after few minutes of system powered on, all memory modules have an identical temperature (55-60c) correction of a previous message: bold text, measurement were done on resistors that are in series with boot caps
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Заголовок сообщения: Re: RX560 fails to boot [РЕШЕНО] Добавлено: 09 мар 2023, 13:10 |
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After having broken video card gv-rx460wf2oc-2gd bought in ebay lying around for more than a year it was finally time to unsolder GPU chip and put it on dell board.
Previuosly, there was dead hynix memory, damage on ISL62771, one dead input mosfet (near the charger IC), and lastly even though I'm unsure of GPU condition after first failure, accidentaly it was beaten to the end afterwards. Also 5.49K resistor mentioned above became completely open after few days of sitting on the table.
Since i was buying from taobao and could get anything at low price i also took all the logic gates, 1331 load switch, vddci 7400 and 7516 mos and put new ones. On one out of 5 HP compaq board i found better 22uf capacitors than those on dell board in the 1.35V output and changed those too. Other power components were replaced as planned earlier, higher rated core mosfets, two big powder inductors, which required vddci inductor to be smaller than original in order to fit next to the big two which is fine since there is small consumption of vddci. Memory inductor also changed as well as memory VRM to 15A.
Samsung HC22 memory was put together with 215-0895088 taken from gigabyte card. Whoever assembled it on gigabyte squeezed the heatsink like an insane, as a result there are permanent traces on die (at least it appears so, IPA99 did not clean it) and the chip got bent in the corners (or in the middle, appearing like it is in the corners). I spent a night reflowing it because of this, untill finally managed to align it and get consistent readings on VRAM test points.
System booted, code 43 in windows, yeah some software problems i forgot about (signature patch) Worked fine in ubuntu 16.04, memory tested with dmgg script - no errors
After patching windows driver crossfire enabled and GPU started. Few short tests in furmark and half an hour of gaming, no issues.
Also to add, all the reading above on PCI and ISL62771 are good except lgatenb. And ASIC quality did not change, 59.9% just like with old chip which probably mean it's just dumb value from BIOS not an actual quality.
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